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	<title>Comments on: How To Rob A Bank In EVE Online</title>
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	<description>A blog about MMORPGs like World of Warcraft (WoW) and Everquest 2 (EQ2)</description>
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		<title>By: SsandmanN</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/07/03/how-to-rob-a-bank-in-eve-online/comment-page-1/#comment-9328</link>
		<dc:creator>SsandmanN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you dump your girlfriend IRL, and then she commit suicide, you would go off scott free as well!
You cannot be held legally responsible for another person taking his own life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you dump your girlfriend IRL, and then she commit suicide, you would go off scott free as well!<br />
You cannot be held legally responsible for another person taking his own life.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/07/03/how-to-rob-a-bank-in-eve-online/comment-page-1/#comment-8363</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stabs Your original comment got stuck in the spam folder - I think my Wordpress is setup to block anything with several links in it. Luckily I found it though! Really enjoyed reading your feedback and I'm checking out those links now. Thanks a lot for the info! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stabs Your original comment got stuck in the spam folder - I think my Wordpress is setup to block anything with several links in it. Luckily I found it though! Really enjoyed reading your feedback and I&#8217;m checking out those links now. Thanks a lot for the info! <img src='http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' width='16' height='16' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/07/03/how-to-rob-a-bank-in-eve-online/comment-page-1/#comment-8362</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As sad or terrifying as it might become, I have no doubt that we'll eventually see laws created to govern our actions in online worlds. Right now these little worlds are completely controlled by the developers but I'm getting that governments will soon want a piece of the pie. It happened in China recently with their crack on QQ coin exchange.

Regardless, it's certainly going to be an interesting few decades :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As sad or terrifying as it might become, I have no doubt that we&#8217;ll eventually see laws created to govern our actions in online worlds. Right now these little worlds are completely controlled by the developers but I&#8217;m getting that governments will soon want a piece of the pie. It happened in China recently with their crack on QQ coin exchange.</p>
<p>Regardless, it&#8217;s certainly going to be an interesting few decades <img src='http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' width='16' height='16' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rosehip</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/07/03/how-to-rob-a-bank-in-eve-online/comment-page-1/#comment-8355</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosehip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an EVE Online character which was adopted by my other half.  Seemingly I'm pretty uber in that game  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an EVE Online character which was adopted by my other half.  Seemingly I&#8217;m pretty uber in that game  <img src='http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' width='16' height='16' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stabs</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/07/03/how-to-rob-a-bank-in-eve-online/comment-page-1/#comment-8354</link>
		<dc:creator>Stabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote quite a long comment, think it disappeared off for moderation but it may have simply disappeared. Let me know if you can't see it anywhere and I'll rewrite it. It's about my first 6 weeks in Eve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote quite a long comment, think it disappeared off for moderation but it may have simply disappeared. Let me know if you can&#8217;t see it anywhere and I&#8217;ll rewrite it. It&#8217;s about my first 6 weeks in Eve.</p>
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		<title>By: Beej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon, I bet they would just regard it as international law with jurisdiction based on where the game's servers were housed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon, I bet they would just regard it as international law with jurisdiction based on where the game&#8217;s servers were housed.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian 'Psychochild' Green</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/07/03/how-to-rob-a-bank-in-eve-online/comment-page-1/#comment-8350</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian 'Psychochild' Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not eager to start comparing a player-run bank in a game with an offline bank.  Someone making off with a chunk of game cash should be different than someone ripping off investors like you see on the evening news.  And, let's not even joke about getting the government involved in online games, okay?

The real sin here is that there's a way of converting ISK into offline cash.  But, I'll leave that discussion to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not eager to start comparing a player-run bank in a game with an offline bank.  Someone making off with a chunk of game cash should be different than someone ripping off investors like you see on the evening news.  And, let&#8217;s not even joke about getting the government involved in online games, okay?</p>
<p>The real sin here is that there&#8217;s a way of converting ISK into offline cash.  But, I&#8217;ll leave that discussion to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeremy Yeah, I read about that case. It's interesting because it actually goes beyond virtual worlds and into criminology etc. It's kinda the same thing as provoking someone into attacking you. In the UK we have no such defense as provocation but I think the US does.

@Beej Definitely. Especially as the worlds start to blend exchange of money more closely - you can certainly expect people to start taking notice then. We also need to consider how real life laws should affect gameplay because some countries have vastly different laws to others and yet you could have millions of players playing together from everywhere in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeremy Yeah, I read about that case. It&#8217;s interesting because it actually goes beyond virtual worlds and into criminology etc. It&#8217;s kinda the same thing as provoking someone into attacking you. In the UK we have no such defense as provocation but I think the US does.</p>
<p>@Beej Definitely. Especially as the worlds start to blend exchange of money more closely - you can certainly expect people to start taking notice then. We also need to consider how real life laws should affect gameplay because some countries have vastly different laws to others and yet you could have millions of players playing together from everywhere in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Stabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm about 6 weeks into Eve now and really enjoying it.

First off to entice you further in here's some of the more juicy stories and sites I have found:

Record breaking heist rocks Eve Online guild to the tune of $16,500 USD in virtual goods 
http://eve.klaki.net/heist/

The adventures of Romeo, eve's most lovable scammer
http://eve-scams.blogspot.com/

Sins of a Solar Spymaster by The Mittani, spymaster in chief of Goonswarm's GIA
http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/exclusives/

On to the actual new player experience.

As Andrew has said it's slow and I have mitigated this recently by playing Eve alt-tabbed. I play WoW with the WoW sound off and EVE minimised with the sound on and my ship on autopilot or whatever. I can even do combat missions in Eve with this minimal attention span although I've lost 2 ships when I forgot about it completely while in combat.

My combat strategy is Caldari Cruisers using a Caracal and 37 km missile range. I just turn the weapons on and hit the Keep At Range button (set to 34 km) and stuff dies. I have an active shield tank but usually don't really need it as most NPC ships don't even hit me at that range. To mix it up I tried a close range ship (Vexor) and died horribly. The Caracal is the best thing I've found so far for level 2 missions and leads later on to the Raven a bigger missile boat which can solo level 4 missions.

My main direction is mining and I've joined a mining corp. Almost everyone in the corp is very relaxed and laid back and most of us are semi-afk much of the time which suits my alt tab playstyle.

Mining is rather dull though. With hindsight I think it might have been better to go straight for level 4 mission running which probably pays just as well while being more fun.

I particularly enjoy planning and testing various get rich quick schemes. I have paused my main character's skillpoints long enough to get to 40 buy orders each on 2 alts. This means I can jump to an alt and collect the cheap loot those buy orders have brought in and flog it off at Jita for fat profits.

I've also quite accidentally wandered into the meta game, accidentally finding secret information about one of the major alliances. There's a ton of low level secrets around though. Still one day I plan to do some spying, seems like it would be a crime not to try it.

I'm also very interested in pvping later on. Space piracy seems like a wonderful pastime and the great wars out in 0,0 look intensely fun.

Many of these plans are a long way off. I've accepted that I'll have Eve ticking along at a low level even if I'm mainly playing something else for the next couple of years. It's not a game for instant gratification!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m about 6 weeks into Eve now and really enjoying it.</p>
<p>First off to entice you further in here&#8217;s some of the more juicy stories and sites I have found:</p>
<p>Record breaking heist rocks Eve Online guild to the tune of $16,500 USD in virtual goods<br />
<a href="http://eve.klaki.net/heist/" rel="nofollow">http://eve.klaki.net/heist/</a></p>
<p>The adventures of Romeo, eve&#8217;s most lovable scammer<br />
<a href="http://eve-scams.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://eve-scams.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Sins of a Solar Spymaster by The Mittani, spymaster in chief of Goonswarm&#8217;s GIA<br />
<a href="http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/exclusives/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/exclusives/</a></p>
<p>On to the actual new player experience.</p>
<p>As Andrew has said it&#8217;s slow and I have mitigated this recently by playing Eve alt-tabbed. I play WoW with the WoW sound off and EVE minimised with the sound on and my ship on autopilot or whatever. I can even do combat missions in Eve with this minimal attention span although I&#8217;ve lost 2 ships when I forgot about it completely while in combat.</p>
<p>My combat strategy is Caldari Cruisers using a Caracal and 37 km missile range. I just turn the weapons on and hit the Keep At Range button (set to 34 km) and stuff dies. I have an active shield tank but usually don&#8217;t really need it as most NPC ships don&#8217;t even hit me at that range. To mix it up I tried a close range ship (Vexor) and died horribly. The Caracal is the best thing I&#8217;ve found so far for level 2 missions and leads later on to the Raven a bigger missile boat which can solo level 4 missions.</p>
<p>My main direction is mining and I&#8217;ve joined a mining corp. Almost everyone in the corp is very relaxed and laid back and most of us are semi-afk much of the time which suits my alt tab playstyle.</p>
<p>Mining is rather dull though. With hindsight I think it might have been better to go straight for level 4 mission running which probably pays just as well while being more fun.</p>
<p>I particularly enjoy planning and testing various get rich quick schemes. I have paused my main character&#8217;s skillpoints long enough to get to 40 buy orders each on 2 alts. This means I can jump to an alt and collect the cheap loot those buy orders have brought in and flog it off at Jita for fat profits.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also quite accidentally wandered into the meta game, accidentally finding secret information about one of the major alliances. There&#8217;s a ton of low level secrets around though. Still one day I plan to do some spying, seems like it would be a crime not to try it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also very interested in pvping later on. Space piracy seems like a wonderful pastime and the great wars out in 0,0 look intensely fun.</p>
<p>Many of these plans are a long way off. I&#8217;ve accepted that I&#8217;ll have Eve ticking along at a low level even if I&#8217;m mainly playing something else for the next couple of years. It&#8217;s not a game for instant gratification!</p>
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		<title>By: Beej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully expect that by 2020, there will be laws mandating proper ethics in virtual worlds because of events like this.  

Ricdic stole something that had a cash value, and the more integrated cyber-realities become with real life, the more there will be the need for effective legal measure to be put in place.  

Despite the woman on MySpace doing everything "within the rules" of the online environment and getting off, her actions impacted someone's real life.  There needs to be some kind of law mandating that.

But then there comes a fine line between what is a use in game (ninja looting and scamming and PKing and griefing) and actually harming another person.  And that's a gray area I don't even want to touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully expect that by 2020, there will be laws mandating proper ethics in virtual worlds because of events like this.  </p>
<p>Ricdic stole something that had a cash value, and the more integrated cyber-realities become with real life, the more there will be the need for effective legal measure to be put in place.  </p>
<p>Despite the woman on MySpace doing everything &#8220;within the rules&#8221; of the online environment and getting off, her actions impacted someone&#8217;s real life.  There needs to be some kind of law mandating that.</p>
<p>But then there comes a fine line between what is a use in game (ninja looting and scamming and PKing and griefing) and actually harming another person.  And that&#8217;s a gray area I don&#8217;t even want to touch.</p>
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