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	<title>Comments on: Have You Ever Bought Gold?</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: How To Eradicate Gold Farming - We Fly Spitfires - MMORPG Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/11/18/have-you-ever-bought-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-14598</link>
		<dc:creator>How To Eradicate Gold Farming - We Fly Spitfires - MMORPG Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Interweb. Recently Tobold and Gevlon got stuck into the topic again and even managed to necromance one of a series of articles I wrote last year about the subject (a self-confessed gold seller posted some interesting comments this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Interweb. Recently Tobold and Gevlon got stuck into the topic again and even managed to necromance one of a series of articles I wrote last year about the subject (a self-confessed gold seller posted some interesting comments this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hirvox</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/11/18/have-you-ever-bought-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-14596</link>
		<dc:creator>Hirvox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. Arguing that RMT ruins the game for everyone else isn't much of a deterrent, and can actually serve as an incentive to antisocial players. "Buy gold and the next time it might be you who will get hacked" strikes home much, much harder.

Ideally, game companies should try to position themselves similar to the insurance companies, serving as their advisors, helpers and vanguards. After all, they &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; have shared interests with the players. If someone gets hacked, it not only ruins the fun for the player, but also increases costs for the customer support department, who will be busy browsing the logs and trying to get the stuff back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. Arguing that RMT ruins the game for everyone else isn&#8217;t much of a deterrent, and can actually serve as an incentive to antisocial players. &#8220;Buy gold and the next time it might be you who will get hacked&#8221; strikes home much, much harder.</p>
<p>Ideally, game companies should try to position themselves similar to the insurance companies, serving as their advisors, helpers and vanguards. After all, they <i>do</i> have shared interests with the players. If someone gets hacked, it not only ruins the fun for the player, but also increases costs for the customer support department, who will be busy browsing the logs and trying to get the stuff back.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/11/18/have-you-ever-bought-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-14594</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's interesting how Blizzard are moving away from the "buying gold is bad" angle and more into the "support gold sellers encourages hacking and fraud" angle. It certainly seems to be a tactic that's working as most people could debate the impact it has on the gaming world but trying to defend or justify it in the face of hacking attempts is a lot harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how Blizzard are moving away from the &#8220;buying gold is bad&#8221; angle and more into the &#8220;support gold sellers encourages hacking and fraud&#8221; angle. It certainly seems to be a tactic that&#8217;s working as most people could debate the impact it has on the gaming world but trying to defend or justify it in the face of hacking attempts is a lot harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/11/18/have-you-ever-bought-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-14592</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a very interesting point about the "legality" of it all. You're right how it's not illegal, it's just breaking the gaming rules. I think game's companies obviously do their best to brand the purchasing of gold as being as "illegal" as possible in order to deter people from doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a very interesting point about the &#8220;legality&#8221; of it all. You&#8217;re right how it&#8217;s not illegal, it&#8217;s just breaking the gaming rules. I think game&#8217;s companies obviously do their best to brand the purchasing of gold as being as &#8220;illegal&#8221; as possible in order to deter people from doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hirvox</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/11/18/have-you-ever-bought-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-14589</link>
		<dc:creator>Hirvox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said that the breach of contract in itself was illegal. I said that accessing their service without authorization is, and obeying the contract and paying the fees provides said authorization. There's also anti-fraud laws, damage to computers and even copyright violation, because that same contract is the only reason you're allowed to use the client in the first place. All of these came into play in &lt;a href="http://virtuallyblind.com/category/lawsuits/mdy-v-blizzard/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Blizzard's lawsuit against Glider&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said that the breach of contract in itself was illegal. I said that accessing their service without authorization is, and obeying the contract and paying the fees provides said authorization. There&#8217;s also anti-fraud laws, damage to computers and even copyright violation, because that same contract is the only reason you&#8217;re allowed to use the client in the first place. All of these came into play in <a href="http://virtuallyblind.com/category/lawsuits/mdy-v-blizzard/" rel="nofollow">Blizzard&#8217;s lawsuit against Glider</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Grinder's Gate</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/11/18/have-you-ever-bought-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-14584</link>
		<dc:creator>Grinder's Gate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breach of contract does not make it illegal. They can sue, but it is by no means illegal. If it was illegal, people would be going to jail or being fined by the government for doing this. Many people misuse the term "Illegal" in this context because it is not agaisnt the LAW to RMT, it may be against your contract, but it is not against the law. 

Before I opened my business, i wanted to ensure that what i was going to do was legal, so I talked to a bunch of lawyers in virtual law and in IP law to ensure it was not illegal. I can understand how breach of contract may seem illegal, but it is not in this case.

Thanks for the link to Tobold's blog, i'll head over there to discuss the economy portion. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breach of contract does not make it illegal. They can sue, but it is by no means illegal. If it was illegal, people would be going to jail or being fined by the government for doing this. Many people misuse the term &#8220;Illegal&#8221; in this context because it is not agaisnt the LAW to RMT, it may be against your contract, but it is not against the law. </p>
<p>Before I opened my business, i wanted to ensure that what i was going to do was legal, so I talked to a bunch of lawyers in virtual law and in IP law to ensure it was not illegal. I can understand how breach of contract may seem illegal, but it is not in this case.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to Tobold&#8217;s blog, i&#8217;ll head over there to discuss the economy portion. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Hirvox</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/11/18/have-you-ever-bought-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-14580</link>
		<dc:creator>Hirvox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite="Grinder's Gate"&gt;RMT is just trading what you’ve earnt in-game against the rules of the publishing company. It does not make it illegal nor does it make morally wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There is a critical flaw in your reasoning. The rules of the publishing company and a fee (depending on their payment model) are the only reasons why you have access to their service. If you don't abide by their rules, you are accessing their service without authorization, and that &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; illegal.

However, I do agree that RMT is not necessarily the cause of problems, it amplifies them. If grinding is the cornerstone of the in-game economy, then botting/RMT will reduce prices of grindable materials and thus increase competitive pressure against those that do grind. To maintain their level of income, they will have to grind &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt;, sink into virtual poverty or join the botters/RMTers. There is &lt;a href="http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2010/02/do-gold-farmers-hurt-economy.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;ian ongoing discussion&lt;/a&gt; about the topic at Tobold's blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="Grinder's Gate"><p>RMT is just trading what you’ve earnt in-game against the rules of the publishing company. It does not make it illegal nor does it make morally wrong.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is a critical flaw in your reasoning. The rules of the publishing company and a fee (depending on their payment model) are the only reasons why you have access to their service. If you don&#8217;t abide by their rules, you are accessing their service without authorization, and that <i>is</i> illegal.</p>
<p>However, I do agree that RMT is not necessarily the cause of problems, it amplifies them. If grinding is the cornerstone of the in-game economy, then botting/RMT will reduce prices of grindable materials and thus increase competitive pressure against those that do grind. To maintain their level of income, they will have to grind <i>more</i>, sink into virtual poverty or join the botters/RMTers. There is <a href="http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2010/02/do-gold-farmers-hurt-economy.html" rel="nofollow">ian ongoing discussion</a> about the topic at Tobold&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Grinder's Gate</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/11/18/have-you-ever-bought-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-14577</link>
		<dc:creator>Grinder's Gate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually own a small RMT company... the poll is interesting since it seems to reflect the actual amount of people RMTing in MMOs. I'm only doing 1 game/1 server atm, but i'd say about 40% of players from what i've seen buy gold or have bought gold before.

Like some others have said, it is a game design flaw in which people who value time over money will buy gold, whereas people who value money over time will not.

I really don't understand the comparison between prostitution and RMT though... they are under completely different moral standings. Prostitution's problem is the case of selling bodies, and offering what is meant to be sacred as a mere means of profit. RMT is just trading what you've earnt in-game against the rules of the publishing company. It does not make it illegal nor does it make morally wrong. 

unfortunately RMT is often used to blame players' problems in-game (i.e botting, economy etc) but there is really no evidence for this. People botting is a problem of game design. Problems /w economy don't really have a direct impact /w RMT... people say RMT drives the prices higher, but it is the players who drive the prices higher. RMT companies always try to sell at the lowest price possible because they need to get gold fast to deliver to hungry customers. Also, majority of RMT companies make most of their gold selling directly to vendor, NOT playing the market because it is not 100% reliable and profits would be generated slowly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually own a small RMT company&#8230; the poll is interesting since it seems to reflect the actual amount of people RMTing in MMOs. I&#8217;m only doing 1 game/1 server atm, but i&#8217;d say about 40% of players from what i&#8217;ve seen buy gold or have bought gold before.</p>
<p>Like some others have said, it is a game design flaw in which people who value time over money will buy gold, whereas people who value money over time will not.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t understand the comparison between prostitution and RMT though&#8230; they are under completely different moral standings. Prostitution&#8217;s problem is the case of selling bodies, and offering what is meant to be sacred as a mere means of profit. RMT is just trading what you&#8217;ve earnt in-game against the rules of the publishing company. It does not make it illegal nor does it make morally wrong. </p>
<p>unfortunately RMT is often used to blame players&#8217; problems in-game (i.e botting, economy etc) but there is really no evidence for this. People botting is a problem of game design. Problems /w economy don&#8217;t really have a direct impact /w RMT&#8230; people say RMT drives the prices higher, but it is the players who drive the prices higher. RMT companies always try to sell at the lowest price possible because they need to get gold fast to deliver to hungry customers. Also, majority of RMT companies make most of their gold selling directly to vendor, NOT playing the market because it is not 100% reliable and profits would be generated slowly.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/11/18/have-you-ever-bought-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-12807</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed <img src='http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-wink.png' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' width='16' height='16' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2009/11/18/have-you-ever-bought-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-12802</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was that illegal gold or through the PLESK scheme?</description>
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