Comments on: EQ2 Finally Gives Up And Abandons All Design Consistency Completely http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/ A blog about MMORPGs like World of Warcraft (WoW) and Everquest 2 (EQ2) Sat, 18 May 2013 23:06:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: EQ2 Announces Late April Fools Joke | We Fly Spitfires - MMORPG Blog http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/comment-page-1/#comment-55247 EQ2 Announces Late April Fools Joke | We Fly Spitfires - MMORPG Blog Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:51:40 +0000 http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/?p=10060#comment-55247 [...] it went lost direction and went all kind of gimicky, for some reason becoming more obsessed with silly, superfluous features than proper content or games mechanics. I also don’t think this it’s a coincidence that [...] [...] it went lost direction and went all kind of gimicky, for some reason becoming more obsessed with silly, superfluous features than proper content or games mechanics. I also don’t think this it’s a coincidence that [...]

]]> By: Vel http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/comment-page-1/#comment-54198 Vel Sun, 29 Apr 2012 04:33:02 +0000 http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/?p=10060#comment-54198 Yes, exactly! These were my exact thoughs when I saw the update about wings. The Fae having wings and flight I could understand, but for everyone? Aion was the first thing that popped into my head. The game has gone so downhill I don't even play anymore, and tbh, I don't think I'd give EQ Next a glance either. Yes, exactly! These were my exact thoughs when I saw the update about wings. The Fae having wings and flight I could understand, but for everyone? Aion was the first thing that popped into my head. The game has gone so downhill I don’t even play anymore, and tbh, I don’t think I’d give EQ Next a glance either.

]]> By: Gordon http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/comment-page-1/#comment-51160 Gordon Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:48:53 +0000 http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/?p=10060#comment-51160 I'm still holding out that EQ Next will go back to the roots of Everquest and enhance everything that was good about it whilst ignoring the bad. Fingers crossed. I’m still holding out that EQ Next will go back to the roots of Everquest and enhance everything that was good about it whilst ignoring the bad. Fingers crossed.

]]> By: vortal http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/comment-page-1/#comment-50934 vortal Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:34:58 +0000 http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/?p=10060#comment-50934 The pokemon pets I can agree with you, (think that it's absolute rubbish) but the pandas? Pandarens have been in Lore since the RTS games, so they are an established part of the Warcraft universe believe it or not. Long ago the very notion of implementing the Draenei the way they are now was totally ludicrous Draenei were these tribal hut dwelling guys on Outland, suddenly some holy blue bearded and hooved octopus head was in charge strange.... Even Warcraft 3's insertion of the Tauren was shocking to me at first, but you learn to grow with it, Suspension of Disbelief my friend, but it only works so far, and by the looks of EQ2 I guess they are falling off the wrong end of the Uncanny Valley. The pokemon pets I can agree with you, (think that it’s absolute rubbish) but the pandas? Pandarens have been in Lore since the RTS games, so they are an established part of the Warcraft universe believe it or not. Long ago the very notion of implementing the Draenei the way they are now was totally ludicrous Draenei were these tribal hut dwelling guys on Outland, suddenly some holy blue bearded and hooved octopus head was in charge strange…. Even Warcraft 3’s insertion of the Tauren was shocking to me at first, but you learn to grow with it, Suspension of Disbelief my friend, but it only works so far, and by the looks of EQ2 I guess they are falling off the wrong end of the Uncanny Valley.

]]> By: Wolfshead http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/comment-page-1/#comment-50927 Wolfshead Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:55:47 +0000 http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/?p=10060#comment-50927 I've tried to like EQ2 on many occasions, but each time I seem to last a couple of weeks. I don't even think SOE is capable of making a competent MMO any longer. This is the first I've heard of "wings" but it does seem like it's true. I think it's appalling decision and reeks of desperation. It seems that anything goes these days in any MMO with more gimmicks instead of solid design i.e. Kung Fu pandas and Pokemon pets. The entire MMO genre seems to have jumped the shark in a big way as gutless developer continue down this path of lobotomizing their virtual worlds. It's truly sad to see MMOs degenerate to the level they have with greedy investors cracking the money bullwhip on servile game designers. I really don't think this farce can continue much longer. I'm glad you are taking a principled stand on this issue Gordon. Well done sir! I’ve tried to like EQ2 on many occasions, but each time I seem to last a couple of weeks. I don’t even think SOE is capable of making a competent MMO any longer.

This is the first I’ve heard of “wings” but it does seem like it’s true. I think it’s appalling decision and reeks of desperation.

It seems that anything goes these days in any MMO with more gimmicks instead of solid design i.e. Kung Fu pandas and Pokemon pets.

The entire MMO genre seems to have jumped the shark in a big way as gutless developer continue down this path of lobotomizing their virtual worlds. It’s truly sad to see MMOs degenerate to the level they have with greedy investors cracking the money bullwhip on servile game designers. I really don’t think this farce can continue much longer.

I’m glad you are taking a principled stand on this issue Gordon. Well done sir!

]]> By: Wolfshead http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/comment-page-1/#comment-50926 Wolfshead Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:43:14 +0000 http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/?p=10060#comment-50926 Didn't you get the memo Gordon? Immersion means nothing now -- at least according to Raph Koster. :) http://www.raphkoster.com/2012/01/13/is-immersion-a-core-game-virtue/ Didn’t you get the memo Gordon? Immersion means nothing now — at least according to Raph Koster. :)

http://www.raphkoster.com/2012/01/13/is-immersion-a-core-game-virtue/

]]> By: Gordon http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/comment-page-1/#comment-50892 Gordon Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:32:38 +0000 http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/?p=10060#comment-50892 Makes me sad too. Makes me sad too.

]]> By: Gordon http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/comment-page-1/#comment-50889 Gordon Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:29:17 +0000 http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/?p=10060#comment-50889 Well put - I couldn't agree more. Well put – I couldn’t agree more.

]]> By: Gordon http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/comment-page-1/#comment-50888 Gordon Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:28:28 +0000 http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/?p=10060#comment-50888 To be fair, I am probably biased... I've always hated Halloween and Christmas events in any MMO. They are completely irrelevant to the source material and wreck my immersion! To be fair, I am probably biased… I’ve always hated Halloween and Christmas events in any MMO. They are completely irrelevant to the source material and wreck my immersion!

]]> By: Gordon http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/2012/01/15/eq2-finally-gives-up-and-abandons-all-design-consistency-completely/comment-page-1/#comment-50887 Gordon Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:27:30 +0000 http://blog.weflyspitfires.com/?p=10060#comment-50887 “No, we are going to maintain the integrity of our product even though our customers demand zebra-chimpanze submarine mounts with eye-beam lasers,” Personally, I do think it's important to stick to your guiding philosophies and design integrity as a company and it often works wonders for those that do. Do you think Apple would have been nearly as successful as it is now if it given in to every customer demand along the way and shoved their products full of random features just because a small percentage of the user base asked for it? “No, we are going to maintain the integrity of our product even though our customers demand zebra-chimpanze submarine mounts with eye-beam lasers,”

Personally, I do think it’s important to stick to your guiding philosophies and design integrity as a company and it often works wonders for those that do. Do you think Apple would have been nearly as successful as it is now if it given in to every customer demand along the way and shoved their products full of random features just because a small percentage of the user base asked for it?

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